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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every religion has "serious global ambitions" that does not mean that every country and every adherent to a faith wants the same thing from a government or a culture.  The followers of Islam are as diverse as Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every religion has &#8220;serious global ambitions&#8221; that does not mean that every country and every adherent to a faith wants the same thing from a government or a culture.  The followers of Islam are as diverse as Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: rockstar</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>rockstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in about the 10th paragraph down, he wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Islam, however, has serious global ambitions, and it forms the primal, core identity of most of its adherents -- in the Middle East, South Asia and elsewhere.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

based on this statement early on, I didn't read the rest of the article thinking about race.
But you might be right and Steyn might be wrong that "There is no evidence that the majority of immigrants from the muslim nations to Europe are radical Islamists bent on shaping Europe into a new Islamic state."  This will require further study...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in about the 10th paragraph down, he wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Islam, however, has serious global ambitions, and it forms the primal, core identity of most of its adherents &#8212; in the Middle East, South Asia and elsewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>based on this statement early on, I didn&#8217;t read the rest of the article thinking about race.<br />
But you might be right and Steyn might be wrong that &#8220;There is no evidence that the majority of immigrants from the muslim nations to Europe are radical Islamists bent on shaping Europe into a new Islamic state.&#8221;  This will require further study&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not mean that Steyn was including Jews and Christians in his stereotype of the middle east.  I was talking about that fact that he was lumping all middle-eastern people no matter where they have grown up, what their particular beliefs are, whether they are Sunni, Shiite, agnostic, liberal, conservative, etc into one "global Islamic state".  And that "global Islamic state" would be linked to Al-Qaeda and would establish "sharia" law in place of "our western style laws."

Whenever you take a group of people based on the color of their skin or where they came from and make on big sweeping negative statement that is racism.  There is no evidence that the majority of immigrants from the muslim nations to Europe are radical Islamists bent on shaping Europe into a new Islamic state.  Just like there was no evidence that the Czechs who moved to the U.S. wanted to recreate American culture in their culture at the turn of the last century (see racial suicide article from previous comment)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not mean that Steyn was including Jews and Christians in his stereotype of the middle east.  I was talking about that fact that he was lumping all middle-eastern people no matter where they have grown up, what their particular beliefs are, whether they are Sunni, Shiite, agnostic, liberal, conservative, etc into one &#8220;global Islamic state&#8221;.  And that &#8220;global Islamic state&#8221; would be linked to Al-Qaeda and would establish &#8220;sharia&#8221; law in place of &#8220;our western style laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whenever you take a group of people based on the color of their skin or where they came from and make on big sweeping negative statement that is racism.  There is no evidence that the majority of immigrants from the muslim nations to Europe are radical Islamists bent on shaping Europe into a new Islamic state.  Just like there was no evidence that the Czechs who moved to the U.S. wanted to recreate American culture in their culture at the turn of the last century (see racial suicide article from previous comment)</p>
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		<title>By: rockstar</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>rockstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't demography: the science of vital and social statistics, as of the births, deaths, diseases, marriages, etc., of populations.

and thus bad demography is when Steyn groups the whole middle east to make a point instead of specifically talking about which groups in the middle east he is concern about.  I will assume that he's not worried about the Israeli or middle eastern Christian birth rates. (and by "not worried", i would mean he would be in favor of higher birth rates for these groups).

therefore, Steyn isn't trying to be racist, but he's making the point that if the current birth rates in a country like France continue the way they are, then France will be a very different country in 100 years if these trends continue.  this assumes that birthrates continue in the same direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t demography: the science of vital and social statistics, as of the births, deaths, diseases, marriages, etc., of populations.</p>
<p>and thus bad demography is when Steyn groups the whole middle east to make a point instead of specifically talking about which groups in the middle east he is concern about.  I will assume that he&#8217;s not worried about the Israeli or middle eastern Christian birth rates. (and by &#8220;not worried&#8221;, i would mean he would be in favor of higher birth rates for these groups).</p>
<p>therefore, Steyn isn&#8217;t trying to be racist, but he&#8217;s making the point that if the current birth rates in a country like France continue the way they are, then France will be a very different country in 100 years if these trends continue.  this assumes that birthrates continue in the same direction.</p>
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		<title>By: jedidiah</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>jedidiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean by "bad demography"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by &#8220;bad demography&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you define what bad demography is?  I am not sure I understand the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you define what bad demography is?  I am not sure I understand the term.</p>
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		<title>By: rockstar</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>rockstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you said:&lt;blockquote&gt;
It is racist since he makes a blanket statement regarding an entire racial group (those of Middle-Eastern descent) with no regards to actual identity. All people of middle eatern descent are not muslims and very few muslims want the destruction of “western values.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

why isn't this bad demography instead of racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said:<br />
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It is racist since he makes a blanket statement regarding an entire racial group (those of Middle-Eastern descent) with no regards to actual identity. All people of middle eatern descent are not muslims and very few muslims want the destruction of “western values.”</p></blockquote>
<p>why isn&#8217;t this bad demography instead of racism?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding, rockstar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding, rockstar.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is racist since he makes a blanket statement regarding an entire racial group (those of Middle-Eastern descent) with no regards to actual identity.  All people of middle eatern descent are not muslims and very few muslims want the destruction of "western values."  

My fears are not based on who has the most babies, but on what lives in the hearts and minds of those who seek to destroy human life in the name of God or man.  That means that I fear those that attack us such as Al Queda and I fear us as we attack in retaliation.  If we decide to see the world as us (westerners) against them (muslims), we will do as much if not more harm than those that attack us.

Steyn's reactionary language and concepts are harmful and wrong and racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is racist since he makes a blanket statement regarding an entire racial group (those of Middle-Eastern descent) with no regards to actual identity.  All people of middle eatern descent are not muslims and very few muslims want the destruction of &#8220;western values.&#8221;  </p>
<p>My fears are not based on who has the most babies, but on what lives in the hearts and minds of those who seek to destroy human life in the name of God or man.  That means that I fear those that attack us such as Al Queda and I fear us as we attack in retaliation.  If we decide to see the world as us (westerners) against them (muslims), we will do as much if not more harm than those that attack us.</p>
<p>Steyn&#8217;s reactionary language and concepts are harmful and wrong and racist.</p>
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		<title>By: rockstar</title>
		<link>http://www.thepetersons.net/blog/2008/05/1st-am/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>rockstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you described the article as,
"This is fear-mongering at best and blatant racism at worst,"
I think your view of the article isn't wrong.
but wouldn't say that he racist, but more likely just fear-mongering based on the demography that he believes in, to quote him,
 &lt;blockquote&gt;
But I do think, as I said, that a good 90 per cent of everything's about demography. &lt;/blockquote&gt;,

so, are you saying we have nothing to fear? or if we are to fear something, it needs to very specific and not a broad brush generalization.
can a person make demographic observations about race or religion and not be called a fear-mongerer? or is it just a topic that shouldn't be touched?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you described the article as,<br />
&#8220;This is fear-mongering at best and blatant racism at worst,&#8221;<br />
I think your view of the article isn&#8217;t wrong.<br />
but wouldn&#8217;t say that he racist, but more likely just fear-mongering based on the demography that he believes in, to quote him,</p>
<blockquote><p>
But I do think, as I said, that a good 90 per cent of everything&#8217;s about demography. </p></blockquote>
<p>,</p>
<p>so, are you saying we have nothing to fear? or if we are to fear something, it needs to very specific and not a broad brush generalization.<br />
can a person make demographic observations about race or religion and not be called a fear-mongerer? or is it just a topic that shouldn&#8217;t be touched?</p>
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